Comments on: Legislation, institutions, and prostitution

By: Derrington

Derrington — Thu, 09 Jan 2014 10:33:03 +0000

Eaves charity who deal with women exiting prostitution. Also, I went to the largest girls comprehensive in the UK. We frequently had young men who hung around the school gates, offering girls cigarettes and making out they were interested in a ‘relationship’ with those that took their bait. Other girls warned me that they gave the girls drugs and then once hooked, they worked them as prostitutes. My sister worked in a special needs school and they had the same experience there and looking at Oxford and Rochdale nothing much has changed with care homes thinking girls are making ‘lifestyle’ choices whereas actually they are being entrapped into prostitution. 13 is about the age that girls become marketable to men.

By: Matthias Lehmann

Matthias Lehmann — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 21:01:35 +0000

Derrington, may I ask what study or studies you are referring to? Please cite the sources for your statement. Thank you.

By: Derrington

Derrington — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 19:24:38 +0000

Sorry, thinking faster than I can type – the average age girls are inducted into prostitution is 13.

By: Derrington

Derrington — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 19:23:48 +0000

Given that the average age girls are inducted into prostitution and the average life expectancy of a prostitute is 34 years old, that 70% report being raped by a client and that pimps and clients pay a premium/demand they work without basic health and safety considerations such as condoms, think the entire ‘industry’ is engaged in a bogus hoax with regard to the phrase consenting adults. There was huge controversy over the abolition of slavery 200 years ago, and we overcame bigger hurdles then for the sake of humane treatment of a segment of the human race. I don’t see the situation is any more difficult now, although I’m not sure I can solve the entire problem in an email to you, especially as I’m not even sure what constitutes a sugar ‘baby’.

By: Peter Bateman (@PeterBateman6)

Peter Bateman (@PeterBateman6) — Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:17:09 +0000

Derrrington it’s not dubious reasoning at all. What they say is that policing a prohibition of the purchase of sex would consume disproportionate amounts of police resources not least because of the difficulty of proving either that sex took place or that money was exchanged. As they say the majority of sex workers in NI are independent and that consequently their meetings with clients are consensual. They do not see it as their role to ;police the sexual activity of consenting adults and say that doing so would divert resources away from the investigation of trafficking. Another important point is that sex workers and clients are often an important source of intelligence on suspected trafficking victims. And a final point. If you bring in legislation to prohibit the purchase of sex you need to frame tight legislative definitions of both sex and of payment. I have had no convincing answers to how this could be done. What, for example, would be the position of a professional dominatrix and her clients? What about gay male sex workers and clients? What about sugar babies?

By: Derrington

Derrington — Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:34:32 +0000

Am not sure that the police’s record on gender violence shows a real relish for getting to grips with prostitution, child abuse, rape, domestic violence, trafficking, female genital mutilation, forced child marriage and numerous other crime committed by men against women and children. I’m not sure about the 49% of UK men having travelled abroad figure myself, nevertheless I have seen other figures of 100,000 men a year travelling for the purposes of having sex with women or children so guess it may be more than you think and less than Melissa Farley’s small sample group indicates. However, the idea that criminalising men who are the prime customer for sex slavery would hinder the fight against trafficking sounds like very dubious reasoning to me. A bit like saying that criminalising radical extremists would hinder the fight against terrorism. Most male commentators seem unwilling to recognise the wolves amongst them and out them for what they are, thereby bringing your whole gender into disrepute.

By: Peter Bateman (@PeterBateman6)

Peter Bateman (@PeterBateman6) — Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:50:01 +0000

Firstly the Northern Ireland Police are opposing a move to criminalise clients in Northern Ireland on the grounds that it will hinder the fight against trafficking. Do you not think that their views carry weight? Secondly some of the statements made here are literally incredible. I will discuss just one, the claim that 49% of British men have travelled abroad to buy six. Looking at the report I note that Melissa Farley is among the authors. You should be aware that Farley is not well regarded in academic circles and that her work has come under sustained attach for serious methodological flaws. Her integrity has also been questioned. And what do we see here? That the study that claims that 49% of men (that’s over 15 million by the way). have been abroad to buy sex is based on a study of er 103 (sic) men! Such an approach to evidence is laughable or would be if it wasn’t so serious. It is disappointing that someone in your position is not able to be more critical and objective.

By: Derrington

Derrington — Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:32:59 +0000

As I was saying …! See both male comments and the total ignoring of the endemic abuses of females and children that is the reality of the sex ‘industry’ … just doesn’t happen/is of no interest to these men … learnt psychopathic response to women and children as fellow human beings.

By: Vicki

Vicki — Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:21:51 +0000

Interesting comments from men on ‘Hands off my whore’ article. The human rights abuses toward women and children in the ‘industry’ are totally ignored by themselves as if mass slavery and rape is simply not there. These men are psychopathic in their attitude towards women and children, they remind me of the nazis presenting death camps as holiday camps …. Tell a lie often enough you can make yourself believe it.

By: Matthias Lehmann

Matthias Lehmann — Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:34:27 +0000

Since apparently, Mary Honeyball doesn’t take evidence against the Swedish Model into account, here are a few reading tips, starting with

Criminalising the payment for sexual services – An introduction for the uninitiated http://wp.me/p294H2-NM

Since Ms Honeyball quotes Der Spiegel, here’s an article debunking the claims of the news magazine.

Does legal prostitution really increase human trafficking in Germany? – http://wp.me/p1NLSO-eb

And finally, since Ms Honeyball claims that Germany is rethinking its prostitution law, here are two commentaries I wrote about this incorrect generalisation.

Commentaries in the international media
http://wp.me/p294H2-QO

All of the above are only intended as starting points for the uninitiated. Please refer to the cited sources to find out more.