Comments on: The AV Referendum is about more than Nick Clegg 2011/04/19/the-av-referendum-is-about-more-than-nick-clegg/ London MEP European Parliament Tue, 01 Mar 2016 16:57:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Daniel Oxley 2011/04/19/the-av-referendum-is-about-more-than-nick-clegg/#comment-4419 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:52:20 +0000 ?p=14350#comment-4419 I have already voted by post for AV. I am not an enthusiast for it but my hope is that it will lead to another referendum so that we can vote on Proportional Representation. It might be that it will not be a milestone on the road to PR but a conclusion to reform but one can hope. It would be good if the public got a taste for having referendums and that we could have one on our increasingly unpopular membership of the EU. We were promised a referendum on EU membership by the Labour Party, the LibDems and the Conservatives.

Martin’s point about the issue of the simplicity of FPTP is a useful one. I am tired of Tories and others forever going on and on about ‘one man, one vote’ etc. The simple approach is not always the best one. Baldrick solved the problem of his mother’s low ceilings by scything off her head; a simple solution but the unintended consequence was considerable.

Mary is right to say that the vote should not be about personalities. I am not put off from voting the same way as Nick Clegg. Sometimes people, however wicked or deranged they are, do sometimes stumble across a sensible idea. Adolf Hitler was, for instance right in wanting state funded university places even though he was wrong about everything else.

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By: Martin 2011/04/19/the-av-referendum-is-about-more-than-nick-clegg/#comment-4406 Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:11:50 +0000 ?p=14350#comment-4406 The No people stress the simplicity of FPTP. But simplicity of method can lead to complexity of consequences. Chomsky in linguistics talked about a ‘trade-off of complexity’.

But I understand that people who have used AV have tended to favour it: when they understand what it does. The Tories of course know perfectly well what it does: that’s why they oppose it.

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By: stephen johnson 2011/04/19/the-av-referendum-is-about-more-than-nick-clegg/#comment-4402 Wed, 20 Apr 2011 07:18:49 +0000 ?p=14350#comment-4402 It shouldn’t be about personalities or even narrow political advantage. Regardless of the outcome of the referendum, we need a better electoral system. AV may be a bit better than FPTP, but not a lot – we need to vote YES for change.

Every voter should know their vote will make a difference to the election result.
Election of MP’s should be based on the merit, not a consequence of wearing the right rosette.

Uncomplicated, single member constituencies, simple voting and counting, PR Government – Direct Party and Representative Voting

Google ‘DPR Voting’

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By: Martin 2011/04/19/the-av-referendum-is-about-more-than-nick-clegg/#comment-4393 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:20:33 +0000 ?p=14350#comment-4393 Many of the No campaigners who says that AV gives some people more votes than others are MPs who have been elected through an exhaustive ballot. The exhaustive ballot is the same as AV, with a certain opportunity for tactical voting at later stages.
The arguments they put forward against AV apply equally to the exhaustive ballot.

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